Mopar vs Chevy??

[Bigl2421]

FIRST OF ALL I KNOW THIS IS A MOPAR SITE!!! BUT BE HONEST!!

What's up need an Honest opinion , I Love Mopars (70-73 Challenger, 68-70 Charger) but also love the 67-69 Camaro ,69-71 Chevelle , Wondering since i'm looking to get one of these soon, all these cars i stated are my favorite Muscle cars, which one would BE better (Performance,Look,Quality,etc.)and WHY??

CHALLENGER-Looks good

CHARGER-Looks good, Love the Hiding Head lights grill, Looks Real Beasty

CAMARO-Faster, Best looking Muscle car, Front hiding headlights,Lighter, Beasty

Chevelle-Fast, Looks good, 1 of the best all time


WHAT"D you Guys say??

[DetMatt1]

To each there own...
Not sure how the camaro would be concidered "faster", "faster" then what?
It is not that I don't like bowties or blue ovals, but one thing you've got for yourself when driving a Mopar is rarity, all models, accross the board. Among other things.
There is NOTHING like driving a Mopar!

[ramenth]

FIRST OF ALL I KNOW THIS IS A MOPAR SITE!!! BUT BE HONEST!!

What's up need an Honest opinion , I Love Mopars (70-73 Challenger, 68-70 Charger) but also love the 67-69 Camaro ,69-71 Chevelle , Wondering since i'm looking to get one of these soon, all these cars i stated are my favorite Muscle cars, which one would BE better (Performance,Look,Quality,etc.)and WHY??

CHALLENGER-Looks good

CHARGER-Looks good, Love the Hiding Head lights grill, Looks Real Beasty

CAMARO-Faster, Best looking Muscle car, Front hiding headlights,Lighter, Beasty

Chevelle-Fast, Looks good, 1 of the best all time


WHAT"D you Guys say??


I guess this all a matter of opinion when you state the 1st gen Camaro is "the best looking muscle car" but I have to ask, where did you pull your data from when you state it's faster. Faster than what?

Back in '89 Hot Rod mag did a straight up shoot-out: the Dodge camp - consisting of a '69 Daytona and an '89 Daytona Shelby - against the Chevy camp - a '69 Z28 and an '89 IROC.

I specifically remember reading this article in amazement - to go along with the staff of Hot Rod - that in the challenges that little 4 banger turbo car was eating the Z28 for lunch on a consistent basis. The '69 Daytona was finishing where you'd expect it to in such things as the quarter, etc - at the top - but if it wasn't winning the challenges the '89 Daytona was! The placing usually went: '69 Daytona, '89 Daytona, '69 Z28, '89 IROC. The only time the '69 Daytona fell flat on it's face was in the slalom, where you'd expect it, but even then, the '69 Z28, the one you'd expect to be the winner of this challenge, didn't touch the '89 Daytona. As a matter of fact, the little 4 banger put in better quarter mile times than the Z28. So, please, where do get the "faster" part of the statement? Especially in light of the fact that the '69 Daytona was a Charger in disguise?

Quality? Mopar. Never been in love with the subframe concept on the GM F-bodies. Makes a good street rod front end, grafted to an old full frame, but the unibody of the Mopars make for a tighter ride, plants the power to the ground better. And don't forget the torsion bar suspension. Light years ahead of GM's coil set up, to the point that if you look under most GM trucks these days you'll see torsion bars. And don't even get into the engine designs. I have a '69 Firebird convertible that I'm sitting on and my '74 Barracuda sitting the shop. Both have been taken apart and the restorations began. I'll take the E-body all day long.

Looks? Subjective. You've already stated that you think the Camaro is the best looking muscle car (which isn't true - it's a pony car).

Collectability? Investment? Rarity? Uniqueness? Mopar. The impact colors, the power plants combinations, the styling. Take a walk through your local car shows. How many Camaros do you see as compared to E-bodies? Hell, even Mopars in general.

[74CudaDave]

I think you should buy a Plum Crazy '74 Barracuda with a 440 in it that looks pretty good but still needs some work. And you should probably pay a little more than what it's worth, just because you want it that bad.

And this is your lucky day, I just happen to have for you, today, one day only....

:-)

[pagilman]

Depends what your going to do with the car. If you are going to cruises and a few shows I would buy the mopar, they always seem to draw a crowd because of their rarity. I usually run with my son in law and his buddies with a bunch of novas and camaros and I seem to be the trophy magnet......

[Bigl2421]

Well first let me say, when I say faster I mean faster than the ones I selected in the thread I wrote, I know the history with the daytona, I want the ride to cruise, show it off (who wouldn't ), speed in it time to time you know

[AlleyoopMgv]

I'm going to be truly honest with you, Bigl2421. I wouldn't EVER consider buying a Chebby. Just my honest opinion.

[Chryco Psycho]

I have owned 2 Chevs .. my first & my last both were unreliable crap , the reason parts are cheap is you need so many parts to keep them running .
The Camaro is much smaller you almost bang shoulders , I have driven them but still not impressed , Chevelle never did anything for me in any year

[Bigl2421]

LOL, i like that (IF IM GOING TO HELL I'M GOING IN A MOPAR) NIIICCCEE!!!
Couldnt say it better, i guess its going to come down to a big decision and finally be decided based on which motor is bigger (powerful) on the car, if their equal or close on price...

Because honestly i already told you guys , the 67-69 camaros are Beautiful and beast looking (favorite), But at the same time the 68-69 Charger is Beautiful and Beasty looking also, and i have never actually seen it in person or someone driving it besides fast and the furious.lol.., until i seen it at a dealership in Newburgh,NY RED MINT MACHINE when i was driving by, But camaro i have seen couple times in Virgina..

:glasses7: Got the shades,dressed in all black, STEALTH ..what will it be

[Bigl2421]

another thing 383-440 engine mopar cars are like 20k + and u can find 396-427 Chevys for 14-15k looking good,

[btceng]

I was right there with you until I actually got my Challenger. The mystique and rarity of the Mopar is worth the difference alone. When you get down to the mechanics of each, the MOPAR is superior. It's not our decision. You ARE on a Mopar board. I have a 68 Firebird also and I like it better than the Camaro just because it is not so common. It is the same car as a Camaro so I can tell you for sure that the Challenger is a better built car. It's your money.

[Chryco Psycho]

I cannot agree more , from an engineering standpoint the Mopars are FAR better built & designed cars , everything is built with overkill in mind not just "that is adequate" mindset

[a440plus6]

The only Camaro's I know of that were able to best the Mopars were the COPO's....same with Chevelles and Novas....that is factory cars.....not dealer prepped cars.
Now the Buick GS and Olds 442's were a different story.....they could hold their own depending on what optioned model you got.

[DetMatt1]

another thing 383-440 engine mopar cars are like 20k + and u can find 396-427 Chevys for 14-15k looking good,

The old saying "You get what you pay for" rings true here.

[Brads70]

I've never liked Camaro's ...just hemroid cars to me...or parts cars for hotrods. I did like the 69 Chevelle. They are a nice handling car. Kept stock car tracks supplied with chassis for years. There are a few Fords I like too, but Mopars will always be my most favourite.

[Bigl2421]

Damnnn u guys but at the same time I appreciate your honesty and supporting my inner want for a car, which I realise today that I only wanted the camaro cuz I could get it sooner than a mopar, but. Guess what Mopar entering my garage soon or summer 12"
I was looking at this car on auto traders its a 70 challeneger clean black, only thing I don't like is the rack bs on the trunk, I know its rare but also ugly, also one thing bout this car, I see, it has a old pull down to gear shift (on the side of the steering wheel). Here is the link why does it have the shift like that,also is it real, and is it worth the price??

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1970-Dodge-Challenger-545428.xhtml?conversationId=45967

[DetMatt1]

What do I think of it? It is one of nicest `70 R/T S/E's that I have seen and I definitely think that if it's not some sort of scam it wouldn't last for 4 hours on the internet at that price. Even if it were a clone R/T it looks to be worth no less then dbl that price. If that car is legit, jump on it now and you might have potentially gotten the best Mopar deal of the year!!!

I wouldn't give any personal info to the seller on this one, just saying...

[DetMatt1]

Oh yeah, column shift is one of those rare but non desireable options in an E-body, but I'd put up with it in that car!

[Bigl2421]

Yeah defently is nice, but like u said it shouldn't have lasted more than ,4hrs but its been their since last week, idk seems fishy,

[AlleyoopMgv]

You gotta do what ever makes you happy Bigl2421. Because whatever anybody else thinks is not important. I say what I say with a bit of sarcasm, I can appreciate all cars, and the craftsmanship put into them.

[JH27N0B]

That ad has to be a scam. It looks like the Challenger RT/SE that was sold at a Mecum auction around 5 years ago for 78K that became a bit of a hot potato because it turned out someone had restamped the block to try to make it matching #s. It was a real V code car and a dealer demo with a lot of interesting options, but the restamp made it something no wanted to touch.
Last I heard of that car, one of the brokerages was listing it and saying it was NOM but that was a while back.
Whatever the case, no one would be selling it for 12K even if it was a bad clone let alone a real 440-6 car.
And the seller is listed as being in the Florida Keys, those pictures aren't anywhere near Florida!

[S-S-P]

FIRST OF ALL I KNOW THIS IS A MOPAR SITE!!! BUT BE HONEST!!

What's up need an Honest opinion , I Love Mopars (70-73 Challenger, 68-70 Charger) but also love the 67-69 Camaro ,69-71 Chevelle , Wondering since i'm looking to get one of these soon, all these cars i stated are my favorite Muscle cars, which one would BE better (Performance,Look,Quality,etc.)and WHY??

CHALLENGER-Looks good

CHARGER-Looks good, Love the Hiding Head lights grill, Looks Real Beasty

CAMARO-Faster, Best looking Muscle car, Front hiding headlights,Lighter, Beasty

Chevelle-Fast, Looks good, 1 of the best all time


WHAT"D you Guys say??

Camaro faster? Explain that. Which 67-69 Camaro is faster than a hemi?

As far as best looking; I think the 70-74 Cuda and even Challenger is pretty much the pinnacle of American Muscle Design.

So much that today, 40 years later, they re-made an E-body design. The modern Camaros (and Mustangs) do not look like the originals.

[a440plus6]

Camaro faster? Explain that. Which 67-69 Camaro is faster than a hemi?

As far as best looking; I think the 70-74 Cuda and even Challenger is pretty much the pinnacle of American Muscle Design.

So much that today, 40 years later, they re-made an E-body design. The modern Camaros (and Mustangs) do not look like the originals.

COPO Camaros.....here's a link to some info
http://www.supercars.net/cars/4159.html

[rumblefish360]

COPO Chevy cars are rare, like a real HEMI car is, maybe even more so.

The bottom line is to get the car you want and do not cave in until you get the car you want because otherwise, you have settled on something less than what you wanted in the first place and you will always regret settling.

When it comes to going fast, the bottom line in doing so is just 2 things;

1. throw cubic dollars at the problem.

2. Design. The MoPar engine has advantages over the Chevy engine, just as the Chevy engine has advantages over the MoPar engine.

The Chevy advantage is CHEAP! Parts are CHEAP! Get them at Walmart, 7-11, Dan's card shop.

Then ask yourself, why is it the Chevy camp is constantly upgrading there engines with design features of the MoPar engines. Take a good look. Seriously, take a good look through out history and notice that in many many cases, MoPar did it first.

How about them upgraded Chevy heads for them boy's looking to hit it hard. (HP Levels) There upgrade is 1. Rockers on a shaft, stock to MoPars, 2. 18* heads, stock on a MoPar, larger lifter bores, stock on a MoPar, better blocks to race with that have a higher nickel content for strength, stock on MoPars? YEP! You bet. Our stock blocks have more nickel and withstand more power than the Chevy race blocks. Then they go for longer rods. There norm is a 5.7 and ours are a 6.123, which is longer than there long rod.

The Chevy has been seen using our tranny's and 8-3/4 rears, our leaf springs. The list just goes on and on.

IF there so good, then why copy what they think, the masses of the other camps call, "Inferior?"

IF you really want a MoPar in your garage, then just sit tight and save up.

[btceng]

Rumble.......that pretty well sums it up. Nice.

[JP_Allison]

LOL ..That's the way Rumblefish360 ... Kick em in the groin. I love how everyone wants to list the COPO equipment as some kind of standard when it was anything but standard and then conveniently leave out a34 cars. Regular people look at it as ....250 six against the slant 6, 307 against the 318, 350 against the 340, 396/402 against the 383, and to round it all out .. the 440 against the 454

[TinCuda]

If you want something just to hotrod around in, get a 1986 mustang and dump some money in the engine.

If you want a real classic car that people will be impressed with, get a mopar.

You know what, on second thought, if you really need to ask, you probably should just buy a camaro.


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[TinCuda]

If you want something just to hotrod around in, get a 1986 mustang and dump some money in the engine.

If you want a real classic car that people will be impressed with, get a mopar.

You know what, on second thought, if you really need to ask, you probably should just buy a camaro.


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I have thought this over and my words might have been a little harsh. For that I apologize.

It is hard to put into words the love affair that I have had my whole life for mopars.

I admit that when I was a kid looking for my first car, I too was looking at the 68/69 camaros. All the old muscle cars where cheap back then.

Once I discovered mopars and my 1971 'Cuda, I never looked back.

Most people, then and now, look at price tags. Mopars have always cost more so there where fewer made. They are the better cars any way you shake it except cost.

Camaro and mustang guys are always trying to explain why their cars are better. I have never had anyone ask me why I got my 'Cuda.

Think about that long and hard and make up your own mind.

Mopar guys are not elitists, but they are an elite group.

Just my humble opinion.


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[rumblefish360]

Thanks Fella's. On today's engines, it is hard to argue with a GM/Chevy guy with there cheap parts. I'm not say garbage parts, just inexpensive.

A new set of GM LS3 heads CNC'd from there performance parts desk, GMPP, (Same as Mopar Performance) can be purchased @ around $900 a head and it will flow 340/247 @ .500 / 370/262 @ .700, 2.16/1.6 valves.
(Do we have a small block head that will do this, unported? Crap! MoPar's offering of there Chapman Stage 6 head CNC'd is around that $2500 bare!)

I'm not sure what today's HEMI heads go for, but I'd like comparative numbers to look at.

These are today's heads on today's engines, a far cry from our muscle cars of over 40 years of age. To hard to compare. I laff at the guys that have these cars and try to point a finger at mine with a taunt. I have to stop and school these fools and laff in there face's that "Ya think! With 40 years of tech behind what you got, you'd have something better."

Of course, this starts the ball rolling. (LOL) to a eh-hem, lively debate.

I slyly curve the issue to a match up of heads in the Pro Stock venue. (HUH!?) Yes, that direction! (HUH!)
Think about it. MoPar backed out of NASCAR for a long time and came back into NASCAR and stood toe to toe and then, THEN bested the other boys who never left. In a short time of R&D, we (MoPar) step up to the plate, knock a home run in and hand you guys a paste - ing (SP!?) like no bodies biz.

And the best parts is, these engines are limited to a 9.0-1 ratio and still make more power than your Camaro.
(Enter a gaggle of MoPar guys laffin there arse's off pointing to the GM guys while walking away. It is a great site to see them jaw dropped and silent.)

Just for giggles, click this link, it is a picture of a LS3 head, tell me, take a good look before you answer, what does this head look like, look good, does this remind you of anything????? Something you may have seen before?????
Something like a Pro Stock head made for the street maybe??????
Maybe like, something in a book you have on a shelf?
A twisted mix of something?????

LOL
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/1926/project-v8-rx-7-part-3-inside-the-gm-ls3-cylinder-head.aspx


The Chevy/GM guys have it good these days, even better than yesteryear, food for thought link to click; http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_1102_ls3_l92_rectangle_port_cylinder_heads_te st/viewall.html

[rumblefish360]

FIRST OF ALL I KNOW THIS IS A MOPAR SITE!!! BUT BE HONEST!!

What's up need an Honest opinion , I Love Mopars (70-73 Challenger, 68-70 Charger) but also love the 67-69 Camaro ,69-71 Chevelle ,


WHAT"D you Guys say??

Big, I'm coming back to you.

In all honest opinions here, if ya love the car, save for the car.

Out of the Chevy offerings, all YOU gotta do is like it. Settle not! is my motto IF you can apply it. (Lets face it, sometimes we have to settle, but why settle on your toy?)

IF you decide to do a Chevy, you might as well drop in a modern engine.

All in all, when you start doing things like this, no matter what car company it is, no matter what age it is, it is first and foremost going to cost a lot of money, so be happy in what you get and get what you want.
No one here will fault you, but a hundred thousand razz-berries may be heard from across the country... LOL!

[70 Challenger R/T]

FIRST OF ALL I KNOW THIS IS A MOPAR SITE!!! BUT BE HONEST!!

What's up need an Honest opinion , I Love Mopars (70-73 Challenger, 68-70 Charger) but also love the 67-69 Camaro ,69-71 Chevelle , Wondering since i'm looking to get one of these soon, all these cars i stated are my favorite Muscle cars, which one would BE better (Performance,Look,Quality,etc.)and WHY??

CHALLENGER-Looks good

CHARGER-Looks good, Love the Hiding Head lights grill, Looks Real Beasty

CAMARO-Faster, Best looking Muscle car, Front hiding headlights,Lighter, Beasty

Chevelle-Fast, Looks good, 1 of the best all time


WHAT"D you Guys say??

Ok, I'm a new guy here; but Chrysler motor oil is in my blood and always has been without any doubts, for that I make no apologies....but the question was asked. Here is the honest answer with no dilution.

Go with the MOPAR
WHY-
In my opinion Chevies are banal, they are mundane, you see a beater camaro in EVERY 16 yr olds garage or a beater chevell in some aging 65 yr old baby boomer's garage. Throw in a couple vettes now and then and what you have are legions of bow-tie this and heartbeat of america that. They are everywhere. Similarly, GM parts can be had anywhere from anyone at anytime. You can go into your local supermarket and buy big block chevy parts along side that giant box of Cheerios. The pharmacists here at CVS drugs sells 327 small block aluminum intake manifolds along side the Geritol pills. They are common as common can commonly get in the most common of common ways. Heritage? Elite? Special? Me thinks not. GM cars start, run and sound like, well GM cars. Hearing a GM big block turning over is like hearing a car alarm in a mall parking lot, no one (yawn) pays any mind to that….”oh dear, don't mind that, it’s just another chevy rat motor on its path to mass destruction, spitting pistons and oil everywhere”, just watch your step.

and FMC makes good farm tractors, but this is not about farming.

Chryslers (MOPAR) are a totally different breed of auto insomuch as you don't just drive mopar, you live it, you ARE mopar. You are a Chrysler head through and through. Not only can you speak about obvious gear head stuff you are AND WANT to learn more about other Chrysler details and cars: A,B,C,E and so on body styles (and their designers: V. Ex, K. T. Keller, Engel, even Creed). You revel in talking about the exploits of Chrysler factory racers (S&M, Dandy Dick Landy,the KING). Modern and legendary drag racers, street racers, old Gassers, even military iron that Chrysler produced for the WWII war effort. You want to talk about everything Chrysler/MOPAR all day long;..it is in your blood. Last but no least, nothing in this entire world sounds better than the distinct "whine" of MOPAR gear reduction starter...and then the subsequent roar of a MOPAR big block coming to life. It will make you feel small, puny and insignificant every time. That sound, smell, and feeling is just flat out hair raising. I would take a lowly slant six 1960 Dodge Dart stripper w/ no heat, a bench seat, no power steering with roll down windows and 3 on the tree to a GM "hard core" big block any day (and I bet could get the slant 6 to run faster too).

There is "something" about owning a MOPAR...ANY Mopar that cannot be put in simple words. So my humble AND friendly advice would be to go with the Mopar...and be proud of yourself in the morning.

[rumblefish360]

LOL ..That's the way Rumblefish360 ... Kick em in the groin. I love how everyone wants to list the COPO equipment as some kind of standard when it was anything but standard and then conveniently leave out a34 cars. Regular people look at it as ....250 six against the slant 6, 307 against the 318, 350 against the 340, 396/402 against the 383, and to round it all out .. the 440 against the 454



That is the biggest problem today. Idiot's use odd ball rare or seldom done or one off things as a comparative point and try to grind you nose into it as if it was a normal affordable thing for everyone to have.

When you are comparing muscle cars to muscle cars, lets not get a thing or to confused.

Today's NEW wave of muscle cars are awesome, no doubt.
Lets stick with the ones we love. There way cooler anyway!

And YEA! WTF is it with that crap. OH! COPO this and COPO that, and HEY, shove it up your ass, I could do the same with, HEMI dart this and HEMI Cuda that and OH, by the way, if your engines and/or COPO's are so freaking great.. why is it that the HEMI's are the only ones worth racing in the big boy section?
Lets start here! http://cms.nhra.com/2001/news/August/083104.html

I have noticed, that when the comparative size engines are next to each other and have as close to a similar build as possible, apples to apples as close as possible, I have come to the conclusion that the MoPar engine makes the best power and torque for the given sizes.

318 vs. 327,
(The 307/305 is a lump and not worth mentioning unless your calling it a lump and not worth mentioning)
340 vs 350, 383 vs 396, 440 vs 454.
The MoPar engine is a better deal from jump street. The price of performance parts for us are more expensive in some area's. Intake, heads, headers sometimes, (build dependent headers, cheapies need not apply here.) Paying a little extra is not a big deal to me, just being raked over the coals hurts.

I started an interesting thread over @ FABO on this idea/topic.
How fast can /did you go with unported heads?
It should help a few guys get going quick if they find a build to suite there taste and car.

I know a few 360 small blocks running low 12's high 11's with stock heads. It helps that there in a "A" body and sometimes, just a bit lightened up.
Join up and post a combo there if ya can, just remember, heads must be as cast, NO porting.

You'll see, it can be done without getting stupid with expense's.

Click it ---> http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=165040

[rumblefish360]

My partial answer to any COPO fool, stick this in your arse! How many Chevy's showed up? LOL NONE!
There, have another kick in the balls.

One would think that with the advent of the GT classes, these non-aero 32-year-old dinosaurs would disappear. Indeed, Chrysler engineers Dick Maxwell and Tom Hoover have stated that NHRA never forgave them for building the cars. Based on the number of entries at Indy this year and the cars' continued appeal to spectators, even detractors have to agree that the 1968 "A-Bombs" will be with us for a long time to come.

For those of you who might not know, the SS/AA cars were originally constructed by Hurst for Chrysler in 1968 using 426 Race Hemi engines in the small A-body Plymouth Barracuda and Dodge Dart. Rare today, clones make up a majority of the cars competing in the class. They are the quickest of the pure Super Stock entries in NHRA or IHRA competition, noted for their high wheelstands, and represented the largest class of Sportsman cars by far at this year's event.

[AlleyoopMgv]

SS/AH cars are the most badass cars on the planet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQye8ZlXTzc

in car super stock hemi 4 speed warfish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXHEr2NNM70

[a440plus6]

LOL ..That's the way Rumblefish360 ... Kick em in the groin. I love how everyone wants to list the COPO equipment as some kind of standard when it was anything but standard and then conveniently leave out a34 cars. Regular people look at it as ....250 six against the slant 6, 307 against the 318, 350 against the 340, 396/402 against the 383, and to round it all out .. the 440 against the 454


That's my point if you bothered to read the link....anything Chevy or Ford had to offer back then like the COPOs, Baldwin Motion or other "Specialty" cars.....that's exactacly what they were....and had to do to beat the "Stock" assembly line Mopars.
Just like dealers like Mr. Norms built some specialty cars for Mopar peeps that Chrysler prolly should have built for the public.
Only brand x cars I can remember in stock showroom trim that the Hemi and 6BBLS had problems with was the Buick GS 455s and the Olds 455 442s.

[ef8aar]

I've owned close to 30 musclecars... Recently I bought a '69 z/28 with the 302 mouse because ever since high school I thought they were cool. Well, I can tell you, of all the close to 30 cars I've owned, in terms of flat out performance, THAT car was the most overrated and disapointing car of all. I didn't even get 300 miles on it and I sold it. My stock 340 runs circles around that car.

[rumblefish360]

Welcome aboard ef8. That 302 Chevy engine was just a holomgated set up for the SCCA race game the big 3 were getting into. That engine won't do nothing unless you rev'd it to the moon and had the like factory set up. Gear, stall, etc...

Lots of HP, no torque.

[Ray]

Welcome aboard ef8. That 302 Chevy engine was just a holomgated set up for the SCCA race game the big 3 were getting into. That engine won't do nothing unless you rev'd it to the moon and had the like factory set up. Gear, stall, etc...

Lots of HP, no torque.

No stall orginal 302 cars where 4 speed only.

[moparleo]

I heard somewhere "that if you have to ask..... Mopar is not a brand...It is a religion, now go to church

[DetMatt1]

That's it, I'm sold! I'm trading in all my all my chevys and fords for....Wait a minute, all I have are MOPARS!

[rumblefish360]

No stall orginal 302 cars where 4 speed only.

Thanks Ray.

[Ray]

No problem. I do agree in principal with your original assessment . The stock z/28 without the cross ram and proper rear gears was lacking. Still a fun car to drive.

[a440plus6]

The new Boss Mustang is a different story.....but it is still a specialty car that Ford put a lot of testing and development into that they would not put into any other showroom offering.
They engineered it to win races against the top European contenders.
Kinda like come full circle....gonna sell a few of them to the public so they can go race them.....on top of that they built 2 of them in different body packages so they can compete in 2 different types of racing classes.

[rumblefish360]

It would be nice if such a MoPar was offered to the general public that doesn't cost $40 grand plus. Crap, strip down a car and stuff it with a mad engine. Skip the airbags. There's enuff of those on capitol hill now.

[ramenth]

It would be nice if such a MoPar was offered to the general public that doesn't cost $40 grand plus. Crap, strip down a car and stuff it with a mad engine. Skip the airbags. There's enuff of those on capitol hill now.

I'd love to see it, rumble, but considering it's those airbags on Capital Hill that legislated that our new cars have air bags, ain't gonna happen.

But you're right. It would be nice of Chrysler woke up to the idea of the old time muscle car. Stripped down, little amenities, big horse, and priced cheap.

[Chryco Psycho]

While Chrysler has always been handycapped in virtually every racing arena to supposedly " Even the playing field" so that Chev could compete Mopars have still dominated it really comes down to "Only Clowns Wear Bowties " LOL

[ramenth]

"Only Clowns Wear Bowties " LOL

I'll add this: Pee Wee Herman.

What's Paul Reuben most infamous for?

Public masturbation.

Chevy. The choice of the public masturbator?

[carsnguitars]

So I know going to probably get flamed for this...but I luv sturring it up anyways...
This is what is wrong with the hobby today...too many people going over the top to bad mouth one brand over the next, rather than apprciate cars for what they are.
It is okay to prefer and love one brand over another, but to trash others is just wrong.
Too orignal Poster:
For someone just starting out in the hobby, a mustang or 350 chevy is a easy inexpensive way to start and learn. Mopars are great, but for first timers, parts and restoring them usually costs alot more. I say get the car you enjoy, and can afford (or you will run out of time and money and give up) drive it and have fun! If you cant afford the Mopar now, get something else learn and sell it later than move up, my 2cents!!
I love cars all kinds but must admit my 68 rs/ss sits between 70 chally and 68 charger, which I prefer to drive over the camaro..

[Chryco Psycho]

no actually I can appreciate any of the classic cars , the time & effort to build them but I would never own one other then Mopar !!

[rumblefish360]

So I know going to probably get flamed for this...but I luv sturring it up anyways...
This is what is wrong with the hobby today...too many people going over the top to bad mouth one brand over the next, rather than apprciate cars for what they are.
It is okay to prefer and love one brand over another, but to trash others is just wrong.
Too orignal Poster:
For someone just starting out in the hobby, a mustang or 350 chevy is a easy inexpensive way to start and learn. Mopars are great, but for first timers, parts and restoring them usually costs alot more. I say get the car you enjoy, and can afford (or you will run out of time and money and give up) drive it and have fun! If you cant afford the Mopar now, get something else learn and sell it later than move up, my 2cents!!
I love cars all kinds but must admit my 68 rs/ss sits between 70 chally and 68 charger, which I prefer to drive over the camaro..

I'm with Chryo. Though I wouldn't mind owning and driving another brand. I have no real issue with a brand X car so bad I wouldn't short myself from enjoying it.

Around here, basic ribbing on a fun front and normally not to bad of a ribbing takes place. There was a time you may have very well had to defend yourself and your car from damage.

Sorry, a flag waver I am not and what I do wave a flag on is not so petty as being brand loyal to the point of being rude or destructive of others.

GOD
Country
Family :notworthy:

[carsnguitars]

I agree...Yeah we had a few fights back in day over cars, seems so silly now!

Rob - That says it all right there!!
GOD
Country
Family

[74 challenger]

i have owned 3 chargers all bb and there is nothing like a charger. everyone yes everyone stares at them.they drive awsome and if you put a 440 6-pack in it dude there are no words for it.go for the charger and you can find a 440 and even if its stock its a beast. have you ever looked in your rear view mirror and seen one coming up on you? a camaro doesnt come close you know when a charger is coming at you. but thats my opinion

[74 challenger]

Charger

[ramenth]

I'm with Chryo. Though I wouldn't mind owning and driving another brand. I have no real issue with a brand X car so bad I wouldn't short myself from enjoying it.

I'm with Chryco, too. Though there are a few other non Mopars I wouldn't mind putting in the stable. A '58 Impala convertible jumps to mind. A '55 Crown Vic. I learned to drive on my F250 when I was 13. And the '54 Ford we have has always been a blast to drive.

Around here, basic ribbing on a fun front and normally not to bad of a ribbing takes place. There was a time you may have very well had to defend yourself and your car from damage.

That's one of the reasons this thread has made it this far. If I thought there was any maliciousness going on I would have shut it down. So far, to me, it's been all in good fun. No one seems to be taking it too seriously, which makes the site unique in some ways.


Sorry, a flag waver I am not and what I do wave a flag on is not so petty as being brand loyal to the point of being rude or destructive of others.

let the cars wave the banner. :icon_thumright:


GOD
Country
Family :notworthy:


Agreed!

[ramenth]

Charger

I like it!

[Super-G]

I've had many Musclecars of many makes. A few I've owned over the years are as follows:

67 GTO 400 4 speed
70 GTO convertible 400 4 speed
67 Chevelle worked 350 4 speed
71 Chevelle SS 402 4 speed
71 442 455 4 speed
70 Duster worked 340 4 speed
71 Corvette convertible 350 4 speed
70 RS Camaro 350 4 speed
67 Nova 327 4 speed
69 Dart GTS 340 4 speed
86 Mustang GT convertible with a worked 5.0 and a 5 speed

Notice a trend? I don't drive automatics.

I've always liked certain Mopars but was never in a position to afford the ones I really wanted. Now at 43 with a full time job a house and 2 kids, I was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to score a 73 Challenger 4 speed. If it had been a 340 auto car I might not have bought it, but the previous owner had installed a 440 6 pack, which to me is just about the Holy Grail of Mopar engines.

My feeling is this. ALL the manufacturers produced cars that are appealing. Honestly, it really is OK to LOVE Mopars to death, but admit that a 69 BOSS 429 Mustang is a bada$$ car. As much as I LOVE my Challenger I can also admit that a 69 RS/SS Camaro is a beautiful car. Just like when I had some of my GM cars, I drooled over a 69 Charger or a Cuda.

I think my fascination with Mopars started back in 1988 when I bought a 70 340 Duster. The car had a mildly worked 340, a 4 speed and an 8-3/4 rear with 4:10 gears. I was 19 and I street raced the snot out of that car and beat pretty much all comers. That's where my interest really peaked. A lot of GM big block musclecar owners accused me of having a 440 in that car and were pretty suprised when the hood popped and they saw a 340. Here's my old 340 Duster...

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z379/super-g1/Gregs%20old%20cars%201/img007.jpg

My point is this. Every manufacturer made cool cars. For every Hemi Cuda that could beat a 396 Chevelle, there was a 454 LS-6 Chevelle to run right with a Cuda. For every 69-1/2 Super Bee with a 440 6 pack, there was a Stage 1 Buick to make your palms sweat at a red light. Disrespecting a certain brand just because you prefer another one kind of makes us look small as car enthusiasts.

[DetMatt1]

Well said Super G! If I ever have all of the Mopars I want in my collection(unlikely) there are a couple of blue ovals that I wouldn't mind having, not to mention a few vintage Italian sports cars, early 60s Maserati 3500 GT.

[msbaugh]

I love Ford Chevy and Mopar, we're all in the same hobby so it doesn't make a difference to me. I like beating the snot out of em though. I will say this though, I would have to own every MOpar ever built to buy a mustang or camaro :-p

[TinCuda]

I think that these older cars have a lot to do with nostalgia. I have always been fond of the 1970 Galaxie 500, just like the one my dad had when I was a kid.


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[68383gts]

A Camaro? You are killing me....

[msbaugh]

Why? Im just saying... I would never want one!!! Lol you don't have to agree with me!

[GranCuda70]

Even when they are in a state of badly needing restoration / Barnyard rustbuckets Mopars still look better!!

[Benji]

My dad was all Mopar after 1955. 1955 was the year that his favorite car company moved all auto production to Argentina. The brand? Kaiser! He loved 'em.

In 1957 after his 1953 Kaiser gave up the ghost, he bought a 1957 Plymouth Fury fordoor. He traded it for a 1960 Valiant wagon, then a 1962 Valiant wagon, then a 1964 Valiant wagon (with a slant six and a Hurst shifted four on the floor!) then a 1967 Plymouth Fury which was his very first automatic tranny, a 1970 Chrysler Newport, and a 1976 Dodge PU. He then went bonkers and bought a FORD and a Buick! When he died he owned a Chrysler Town and Country van.

I've owned a variety of cars in my 64 years. Two Model A Fords, (one a hot rod) a 1932 Chrysler CI 6, a 1947 Ford coupe hot rod, a 1966 Corvette, two 1968 Dodge Chargers, a 1968 Roadrunner, a 1969 GTO, a 1969 Chrysler 300 convertible, a 1970 340 'Cuda, a 1971 442, a 1973 Satellite Sebring Plus, a 1973 Riviera, and an assortment of vans and other uninteresting cars!

Benji

[the wall]

DID YOU KNOW THAT A DODGE DART WITH A 340 RUNS HEADS UP AGAINST A 396 CAMARO IN G STOCK NHRA and the dart hold the record in the class. that's a small block same weight car against a 56 inch bigger engine. now there are big block mopars challenger charger you pick it. if you can find a big block chevy car that's in the same body condition as a mopar they might be a fraction cheaper but ill bet there not much. and the cheaper you have to mod a chevy to keep up with a mopar... whats cheaper stock or modified. you also need to ask yourself what do camaro head lights look like compared to challenger or charger tail lights cause that's what everybody else will be looking at.the way a car looks is something for you to answer on your own. i think of it this way if your so stuck on a camaro that its what you want over performance then i liken it to this... a nice looking girl is going on a date with you tonight but she has aids .what are going to do with that. there no performance. my all time favorite cars is a 71 cuda with billboard graphics so i date girl with out aids. i just had a thought though if you get the camaro that just gives me another race that i can have a guarantee me a victory. so get the camaro. when im going to car shows with my cuda and there 15 of them and there 75 camaros im really going to smile cause at that point i feel i won again. please take this in fun cause that's what im doing is having fun with this thread im mean no harm

[SchoberMotorsports]

Cause when you see a 69 Camaro its just another car...

Oh and Hemi.

[msbaugh]

Awesome. Like I said any Mopar, no matter what car, beats a p.o.s. camaro!! :)

[TinCuda]

I love the Camaro!!!

There are always lots of them at the car shows that I go to. It makes it look better when I take first place with lots of cars in my class...LOL


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[TinCuda]

You know what? To add to that, at the last car show of the season that my wife and I went to, two weeks ago. My 2011 Challenger SRT-8 won first prize, my buddies 2008 Challenger SRT-8 won second prize and a brand new 2012 SS Camaro convertible got third. 1980 to present class. I think that is proof enough!


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