4 speed cars with A/C

[MoparCarGuy]

Cuda 340 BS23H0E115242 D13 3-speed with H51 Air Conditioning. Y14 SOLD CAR.

 

[MoparCarGuy]

Barracuda GranCoupe 383 BP23N0E121529 D21 4-speed with H51 Air Conditioning. Y14 SOLD CAR.

 

[MoparCarGuy]

Cuda 340 BS23H0E123626 D21 4-speed with H51 Air Conditioning. Normal Y05 USA Specs.
Unfortunately, this is a repro fender tag showing A/C and an N96 Shaker hood.

 

[MoparCarGuy]

Barracuda 318 BH23G0B128942 D13 3-speed with H51 Air Conditioning. Normal Y05 USA Specs.

 

[MoparCarGuy]

Cuda 383 BS23N0E132393 D21 4-speed with possible H51 Air Conditioning code under the left screw.

 

[Cuda Hunter]

For a little context.

 

[Cuda Hunter]

You might notice a few trends with all the tags @MoparCarGuy has posted. First being the Y codes.
Second being the door jamb codes. Not mentioned before to you but if you are diving into that tag this much it is worth a mention this far along.

Thanks Moparcarguy! I am thoroughly impressed with your database.

 

[ylocuda]

Cuda Hunter. Yes that is my tag. The one deemed reproduction. I started this thread to try to help figure out the mistakes on that and what it should correctly reflect as best as possible. So far my radio I conclude should be R11 (it has single speaker dash and wiring reflects simple single plug). The V4x since I have no proof at all it had a strobe stripe should have been V1x seen twice in LA built cars. I think now the Y39, should have been either Y05 or Y13 based on tag pics from MoparCarGuy (thanks for the help and digging). The new question is if it should have the N95 since it does have California emissions. Any more comments appreciated and fun to hear. Thanks!

 

[ylocuda]

Also the last tag MoparCarGuy sent is very close to my car eng/trans and sequence number (built in LA (BS23N0E132393) The build date is 213 on that tag (I think Feb 13, 1970). My build date shows C02 (Dec 2, 1969) and way too early compared to my door sticker being Feb 1970. Since my sequence number is only 600 before the other LA car, my build date should be slightly before the 213 date. I guess I would never know exactly, but could come close. Is there any data to nail that within a week or so?

 

[Cuda Hunter]

I guess I would never know exactly, but could come close. Is there any data to nail that within a week or so?

Correct.
No, there is no data. Study more tags and you can "probably" get close.

I mentioned another issue in my previous post.

 

[MoparCarGuy]

@ylocuda
I will narrow it down as far as possible by checking other LA plant tags and let you know. I also have some calculated data for how many cars on average were assembled daily at Los Angeles and Hamtramck.
Remember, the Scheduled Production Date (SPD) is just what was scheduled and may or may not be the actual build (born on) date.
The result will only be a guess but is better than having no idea.
I will elaborate after checking what tags “bracket” your VIN.

 

[ylocuda]

Thanks MoparCarGuy. Since my car is California emissions I think Fender tag should have N95 code also?? Maybe its not consistent.

 

[Cuda Hunter]

Not sure what triggers N95.
I have multiple tags with and without it from the E plant.
Early ones tend to not have it whereas later ones do.
But they are very inconsistent. More on BS's than BH's but still some in Bh's.

Anyone know what triggers the N95 on the tag? It's not engine displacement.
It's not axle packages. It's not A packages either.

 

[rklein71]

N95	Evaporative Emission Control (CA Emissions)

 

[Challenger RTA]

As I ask you before, I think. Did you look on the K frame for a date. As I understand it is the same date that is at the bottom of the window sticker. The one below is 1102 B 75. B 75 not sure what it is. The broadcast sheet, door sticker and fender tag reflect the same. B 07 That is the day it is complete. That's five days from start to finish on this one. That is how I see it and understand. The point here is that the codes can and will be different depending on the date and options packages. This can change all the coding. Such a Y05 and U code the same but used different times. Someone here knows better than me. I just look at the numbers.

 

[MoparCarGuy]

@ylocuda
I will narrow it down as far as possible by checking other LA plant tags and let you know. I also have some calculated data for how many cars on average were assembled daily at Los Angeles and Hamtramck.
Remember, the Scheduled Production Date (SPD) is just what was scheduled and may or may not be the actual build (born on) date.
The result will only be a guess but is better than having no idea.
I will elaborate after checking what tags “bracket” your VIN.

The LA fender tag I have before your 131758 is 131139 with an SPD of 204 (February 4, 1970). The first tag I have after your tag is 132201 with an SPD of 212 (February 12, 1970). The next one after that is 132393 with an SPD of 213 (February 13, 1970).
So it is likely but not certain that your SPD falls between 204 and 212 (February 4 - 12 of 1970).

For background, the Hamtramck plant has a calculated assembly rate of approximately 1,339 cars per day. I thought I had info on LA's assembly rate but I do not so I Googled it and the Ai result was 237.89 or 238 cars assembled per day at LA Assembly (Maywood). Actual search result is below.

The Chrysler Los Angeles Assembly plant (Maywood) operated from 1932 until 1971 and assembled various Dodge, Chrysler, and Plymouth models.
Regarding the 1970 production rate at the Los Angeles assembly plant:
Based on available information about VIN ranges and the typical number of working days in a year, the average production rate for the 1970 model year at the Los Angeles assembly plant was estimated to be around 237.89 cars per day.
It's important to remember that this is an average, and the daily production rate would have varied throughout the year.
The plant assembled "A" body, "B" body, and "E" body models in 1970.
For the 1970 model year, the Los Angeles plant built at least 60,900 cars.
Specific models assembled there included the Plymouth Valiant, Dodge Lancer, Plymouth Barracuda, Dodge Challenger, Plymouth Belvedere, and Dodge Coronet.
The Los Angeles plant was primarily responsible for assembling vehicles from "knock-down kits" shipped from Detroit, combined with locally sourced parts, and these vehicles were largely sold in California and the Western United States.

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[MoparCarGuy]

I believe the N95 California Emissions was only installed on cars destined for sale within California. The LA Assembly Plant built cars for many of the western states, e.g. Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, etc. so they would not have included the differences such as the removal of the rear exhaust tips through the rear valance or the other emissions provisions for those states. Just my take.

 

[Cuda Hunter]

I believe the N95 California Emissions was only installed on cars destined for sale within California.

Ah, yes. Of course. That makes perfect sense.