rklein71
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I don't believe it had a fender tag. I have only a few pictures of it and it doesn't show up. Don't know the VIN, except for it was a BSH car.
Fender Tags, why?
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Cuda Hunter
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At least you got to drive it some!
Great memories I'm sure!
Hope I find a BS 71 someday. Even with rotted from frame rails. fixable these days.
Thanks for sharing!
Great memories I'm sure!
Hope I find a BS 71 someday. Even with rotted from frame rails. fixable these days.
Thanks for sharing!
rklein71
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Yes, I was in high school and college when I owned it. Looking back, I realize I was fortunate not to get killed in it. I drove it like I stole it. The 71 Cuda clone I am building now is 10x nicer than my Cuda was, but man I loved my old car.
Cuda Hunter
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Ahhh, Youth.
At least you can drive your clone like a maniac and know that you are much safer than you were when you were young. Great feeling.
Your ride is awesome by the way.
At least you can drive your clone like a maniac and know that you are much safer than you were when you were young. Great feeling.
Your ride is awesome by the way.
rklein71
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Thank you, in final stages of block sanding. Installed a Tremek five speed a while back as well. Been side tracked with other projects for a bit. My oldest son, who has never been much of a car guy, has got into Miata's. We have been working together, with him doing most of the work, to get that thing going. It has been fun.
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Spyder
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Awesome, I'll do some reading tomorrow as it should be a slow day at work.
torredcuda
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Unless it was a super rare AND desireable option like a Mod Top nobody cares about a fender tag on a slant 6 car except for curiosity or data collection.
pschlosser
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Many of us care about the data tag. Presuming the 1970-71 cars were the cats meow, anything after, the data tag becomes a non-issue. add to that, a present-day era of a notable absence of 1970-71 cars, and yea, the data tag isn't all that, anymore. But is has merit on those earlier cars.
torredcuda
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While I agree the `70-71 Mopars had the best options, highest HP etc. I don`t get the thinking that any other year is not worthy, no one cares about numbers and/or has no merit - there are many models pre AND post `70-71 that are highly collectible and worth having fender tags and other documentation for. I would value a `74 360, 4 speed `cuda over a `70 slant six model Barracuda.
Cuda Hunter
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I too would love to own one of the 74 360 D21 cars. Awesome combo!
And the 360 D21 combo in 74, one of the best small block combos available on the barracuda's.
Let's not forget that in 1972, the barracuda could come with a sunroof.
I've been searching for a 72 with the sunroof for years .
To top that off, the V21 hood blackout treatment that only came in 72 would be awesome to find on a sunroof car.
I had an opportunity to buy a 72 with a sunroof and V21 treatment. It was maybe 15 years ago and the price was astronomical compared to all the other 72-74 cuda's for sale. Still would have a hard time justifying that price.
So, three more codes to add to the "collectible" later year barracuda's.
V21 hood blackout treatment
M51 Power/w vinyl roof (69,70,71) Sunroof
M51 Power (72-74) Sunroof
M52 Manual (73-74) Sunroof
And the 360 D21 combo in 74, one of the best small block combos available on the barracuda's.
Let's not forget that in 1972, the barracuda could come with a sunroof.
I've been searching for a 72 with the sunroof for years .
To top that off, the V21 hood blackout treatment that only came in 72 would be awesome to find on a sunroof car.
I had an opportunity to buy a 72 with a sunroof and V21 treatment. It was maybe 15 years ago and the price was astronomical compared to all the other 72-74 cuda's for sale. Still would have a hard time justifying that price.
So, three more codes to add to the "collectible" later year barracuda's.
V21 hood blackout treatment
M51 Power/w vinyl roof (69,70,71) Sunroof
M51 Power (72-74) Sunroof
M52 Manual (73-74) Sunroof
Cuda Hunter
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If anyone has any information (tags, Broadcast sheet, window report)
on any sunroof cars that are not 1972 I would very much enjoy decoding and learning about the car.
on any sunroof cars that are not 1972 I would very much enjoy decoding and learning about the car.
Cuda Hunter
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V21
Cuda Hunter
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Since I'm showing a few pictures of the V21 cars I must mention that the grills would all be painted body color on the V21 cars. Some examples have argent grills though. Anyone have docs that show both colored grills available on V21's?
That leads us into the key colored grills on the 72-74 cars. I would think this adds significant value to the later year cars. Definitely is a striking look.
That leads us into the key colored grills on the 72-74 cars. I would think this adds significant value to the later year cars. Definitely is a striking look.
Cuda Hunter
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Also, I need to add that FENDER TAGS do not carry the M51/M52 code. The first way to tell if the car is a true sunroof car is the VON (second line from bottom, Last set of number/letter combinations on right, above serial number) is to look at the fender tag von number and if it begins with a "G" followed by 5 numbers the car was to receive a sunroof modification.
Second way to uncover if a car was a sunroof car is to view the broadcast sheet.
Third, build sheet.
Fourth, window sheet/monroney report.
If anyone has any information contrary to the above statements please show and explain. Very little information exists about the actual CUDAS with G VON's.
Challengers had multiple years for sunroof cars , M51,M52. Different rules apply.
Second way to uncover if a car was a sunroof car is to view the broadcast sheet.
Third, build sheet.
Fourth, window sheet/monroney report.
If anyone has any information contrary to the above statements please show and explain. Very little information exists about the actual CUDAS with G VON's.
Challengers had multiple years for sunroof cars , M51,M52. Different rules apply.
Cuda Hunter
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I do not have any sunroof BARRACUDA'S fender tags that I can find.
Just an example below of a sunroof challenger. G code VON.
Just an example below of a sunroof challenger. G code VON.
Cuda Hunter
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@rklein71
Fender tag question is a pandora's box.
The question goes even deeper than just the fender tag and works it's way into all the documentation of each individual car.
Specifically about the more valuable codes that can make a standard car worth more with it's tag present but lose value without that same fender tag.
Fender tag question is a pandora's box.
The question goes even deeper than just the fender tag and works it's way into all the documentation of each individual car.
Specifically about the more valuable codes that can make a standard car worth more with it's tag present but lose value without that same fender tag.
Shallenger
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So I just got a 70 challenger that doesn’t have the fender tag but I decoded the vin and it’s a base model 225 slant 6 but the second digit H got me wondering what options came in this car to where even if I found out what options were created for this car and supposedly had the fender tag reproduced and let’s say I bring it all back to factory specs, and someday decide to sell it., regardless the buyer sees a reproduced tag, they probably won’t believe it so that will devalue the car even tho let’s say that that one option might be rare, I’ll still be **** out of luck right since it’s a repo tag?
Cuda Hunter
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There is no way to bring back the options for the original car.
Sure some of them are obvious and can be put on the fender tag.
However there are several items that are impossible to recreate without documentation. Then what happens is someone puts the wrong codes and numbers on the tag and they do not correspond with "known" examples of similar in sequence numbered cars it raises the flags of having a reproduced fender tag that was reproduced without the documentation it takes to correctly reproduce that tag without flaw.
Then the other items that are simple and easy to show, like the C code in the vin JH23C0B/E****** have to be questioned by said buyer because the other items are obviously wrong.
If your car came with it's broadcast sheet, possible specific build sheets, Window sticker (monroney report), special order forms then the car can have a reproduction fender tag that is correct and when the question of reproducetion tag comes up the correct paperwork can be shown to prove the correct fender tag was reproduced.
Keep in mind that once items are gone no one will ever know if the car had one or two inspection tags for assembly or if the car had any inspector's stamps on the tag itself. Most people don't care about such things but a few nuts really like the nuance's of the assembly line stamps.
Most likely, a large majority % of the time with JH and BH cars they will hold lower value regardless of the items they could have been ordered with. It takes someone specifically looking for a rarity to help the value of the BH/JH code cars.
With all that said, when a car is 55 years old there can be thousands of modifications made to that car by hundreds of different hands. A car can be stripped of every part within 2 days and have entirely different parts put back on within a week. That's 660 different full rebuilds possible in that 55 years. It is difficult to assume any car has sat for 55 years without any modifications but somehow lost it's fender tag, BS, BS, MR,Order forms,etc.etc.. Probabilities are low for a correct reproduction fender tag.
Sure some of them are obvious and can be put on the fender tag.
However there are several items that are impossible to recreate without documentation. Then what happens is someone puts the wrong codes and numbers on the tag and they do not correspond with "known" examples of similar in sequence numbered cars it raises the flags of having a reproduced fender tag that was reproduced without the documentation it takes to correctly reproduce that tag without flaw.
Then the other items that are simple and easy to show, like the C code in the vin JH23C0B/E****** have to be questioned by said buyer because the other items are obviously wrong.
If your car came with it's broadcast sheet, possible specific build sheets, Window sticker (monroney report), special order forms then the car can have a reproduction fender tag that is correct and when the question of reproducetion tag comes up the correct paperwork can be shown to prove the correct fender tag was reproduced.
Keep in mind that once items are gone no one will ever know if the car had one or two inspection tags for assembly or if the car had any inspector's stamps on the tag itself. Most people don't care about such things but a few nuts really like the nuance's of the assembly line stamps.
Most likely, a large majority % of the time with JH and BH cars they will hold lower value regardless of the items they could have been ordered with. It takes someone specifically looking for a rarity to help the value of the BH/JH code cars.
With all that said, when a car is 55 years old there can be thousands of modifications made to that car by hundreds of different hands. A car can be stripped of every part within 2 days and have entirely different parts put back on within a week. That's 660 different full rebuilds possible in that 55 years. It is difficult to assume any car has sat for 55 years without any modifications but somehow lost it's fender tag, BS, BS, MR,Order forms,etc.etc.. Probabilities are low for a correct reproduction fender tag.
Shallenger
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Ok I was curious about that and there’s no documentation that came with my car which blows but most likely I’m gonna either slap in a 440 or 360 stroker since the 225 that’s in it now looks shot beyond repair. Would like put a fender tag like fasjac posted on post 21!
pschlosser
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you can have a production fender tag made with little or no documentation, but it may look like an obvious reproduction. And given the car is a "C" car, it is possibly the least performant and least desirable of the engine combinations. So, even if all the numbers matched, it's not gonna be some super high dollar car. Further, it's a BH car, also pretty much bottom of the totem pole and among the least prestigious.
None of this is a big deal. In fact, you're kind of free to option the car however you want, because you have little to lose. Bear in mind, and this goes for most of the e-bodies, regardless their prestige, options and condition, you're not likely gonna make a profit on this effort. Those days are long gone. And how much you overspend (compared to the finished car's sale value) depends on you and how frugal you can be.
You biggest payoff will not be in dollars, but pride and satisfaction. Enjoy the process. Most of us have and do.
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