Fm3 paint mix

[Ohiowoodchuck]

Anybody have the formula for fm3 for Plymouth. Most paint supplies can’t do it unless I have something they can take a picture of.

 

[Xcudame]

I'm tagging my brothers who know very much about paint. @Challenger RTA and @MoparCarGuy

 

[cuda joe]

do you mean f3 green they only had 2 digit codes then .best bet is to take the car or a piece from an old fender or something to the paint store .

 

[Ohiowoodchuck]

I’m looking for moulin rouge formula. I don’t really have anything to go off of. I bought a duster drag car. It is painted pink. But it’s not the right color. It’s kind of a father daughter project.

 

[340sport]

Visit the PPG paint center or a PPG repair facility. They have all the formulas based on year and make plus its computerized for accurate weights/amounts of tint needed to make paint on a consistent basis.

 

[pschlosser]

do you mean f3 green they only had 2 digit codes then .best bet is to take the car or a piece from an old fender or something to the paint store .

in a three-letter code, the first letter denotes the applicable year. FM3 (where E=1969, F=1970, G=1971), M3 refers to the color. M-3 is not there on the 1971 paint chart, but is on the 1970 chart

 

[torredcuda]

The paintref site has a number of cross references for paint codes - https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?year=1970&make=Plymouth&rows=50&mobile=yes

 

[Challenger RTA]

Take note the mix is for Acrylic Lacquer. It was a one trick pony.

Heres how this breaks down in pecentage of total. If the toner is the same.
Magenta

Dark red 106.3 = 24% or 0.24049 of totlal. White 88.6 = 19.5% or 0.1986 of total. Light red 248 = 0.44 or 44% of total = Moulin Rough442.9

 

[Ohiowoodchuck]

Thanks gentlemen. I appreciate the help.

 

[Mr Cuda]

As I've said before, the formulas don't matter if you don't have the toners.
Every brand has a different strength, and tone.
Here is my glasurit formula where
974 is black
60 is white
59 is magenta
135 is transparent red/brown.
I still have toners

 

[Ohiowoodchuck]

Can you go into further detail on the toners if you have the time. I know nothing about paint and I’m not going to pretend like I do. There’s just none of the old timers left who can mix. It all has to be done by camera. I have a Napa that might be able to do it or if I could find a pint that is correct I could have my painter spray a piece and they could camera match it.

 

[Mr Cuda]

Have you ever seen an 80's to 90's camero that was pink on top, red on the bottom?
Red being the most expensive color had GM (ppg) make the formula using purple and orange. The purple component faded fast.
The glasurit formula for the same color used 3 different reds and black. Ground pigments are exspensive. But more colorfast.
So a formula from competing brand, and now for products that are gone make that info trivia.
Every brand of paint makes their product and markets to a price point. This changes pigments based on cost. Which changes tone and strength of toner color.
So volume of toner only matches one product line. I have been known to tint brand x acrylic urethane with brand y. The chemicals do mix. How much it changes paint performance, don't know.
This is why buying paint nowdays is so hard. PPG base is over a thousand dollars. And no more single stage besides fleet, black and white.
Choosing a clear is a fight between price, durability/dieback and ability to polish. There are a couple decent performing cheaper clears for collision work, but get it on right because you won't be polishing it.
All the mopar colors I've mixed have been pretty accurate. I could do a half pint just to see how good it looks.
Then we could see about a scan or sprayout.
There were a ton of variation to this color, back in the early 80's when I was first exposed to a 70 duster in fm3.
The spot repairs were all off from the original colors. Like how lime light is often off.

 

[Ohiowoodchuck]

Thank you sir. I appreciate you explaining it to me and not treating me like I’m I’m stupid. I know exactly what you are talking about now. I just needed an expert to explain it to me.

 

[Mr Cuda]

I mixed up some paint.
A finger full on some clear tape to compare to a chip, ( 2 brands of color sample) looks pretty good. Still wet, could change ever so slighty when dry. Of course, its not a uniform thickness when wiped on.
I'll do a spray out. Then check outside when its not raining. The lighting in my mixing room is better than the shop lights with the books.

 

[pschlosser]

but its so... pink.

 

[Mr Cuda]

It takes a real man to drive FM3!!

 

[Ohiowoodchuck]

It takes a real man to drive FM3!!

Yeah not every man can wear a hoodie upside down for underwear but those that do drive pink mopars.

 

[Ohiowoodchuck]

I mixed up some paint.
A finger full on some clear tape to compare to a chip, ( 2 brands of color sample) looks pretty good. Still wet, could change ever so slighty when dry. Of course, its not a uniform thickness when wiped on.
I'll do a spray out. Then check outside when its not raining. The lighting in my mixing room is better than the shop lights with the books.

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I think you nailed that one 100%.