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Charging system has been bad for years probably?

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Hi,
70 Challenger 383, I have a feeling that the charging system has been bad for years now, but wonder how it was possible to not really notice it. I try to make a long story short. First of all, I don't drive very much unfortunately, maybe 1000km a season, usually I charge the battery and it lasts until I take it out again late November. This year it was harder to charge somehow, so I had the battery on my watchlist. Still, went for a 300km drive recently, with couple of starts, stop and go, idling. Worked fine. The next week battery was dead. So I started investigating. I thought something drains the battery maybe, but no loads registered on the multimeter.

I remember measuring the battery voltage while motor running a couple of years ago, just around 12,5 volts, suspicious as I had expected around 14, but well... had no issues, uncommon car, maybe that's correct...? And I forgot about it.

Well ammeter is like frozen, so likely disconnected, I found the shunt wire from alternator main plug directly to battery.
I measured alternator, main plug = battery voltage, field 1 (blue) 0 when ign/off, around battery voltage with ign/on. Field 2 (green) 0 when ign/off and barely some voltage with ign/on. I bypassed VR by connecting field 2 directly to battery while running, still get 12,5 Volts at battery. -> So I suppose alternator is dead.
But also VR seems bad, it has ground on the screw, ign voltage, but measuring between both pins at 20kOhms I get no reading (either 0.00 or infinite, can't remember right now).

So everything points at bad alternator and VR, would you agree? But how on earth was I able to drive it for years without noticing anything? A few 100 km.

Another question: can I somehow identify the current alternators amperage, to get the correct spare part?

Thanks in advance for any help and your opinions...
 

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But how on earth
You answered your own question.
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Posting the diagram below to help you understand you already might.
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Check the grounds on the motor, chassis by the battery, alternator mounting bolts. Be sure they are clean and tight. The battery cable can corrode an 1" inside the insulation and cause a problem.
Once again Check alternator mounting bolts. I had a problem there I'll explain.
 

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I had a car that was giving me charging issues as you explained. I change alternator from a car that I know was good also the battery. Never had a problem with the car I swapped the battery and alternator to. Before and after. Same problem went on for a few years. Cleaned all grounds, positive cables. Ground and positive connections. Took both fuse boxes out and cleaned. Not to mention the gauge cluster, computer connections, dash harness, engine harness. Rear harness check for shorts and grounds while it was still installed. Thought that will fix it. NOOP! :BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::BangHead:

Understand this is a newer car and this is what the wiring consist of.
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So now for the rest of the story. I Don't Quit! I'm smarter than a rock, I think!

So like I said I know the battery is good. Check yours's out first take it and auto parts store and have them check. Alternator same have it check. I would bet there good. Next the questions is that are the bulkhead connectors good and all the other charging connections. But one. I'll explain.
I was looking at the engine compartment. Going over in my head what I did and and what I missed. As I looked at the alternator positive connection and thought did that a few time. Looked at the mounting and adjustment bolts ok did that. As I looked at the motor where the alternator mount, mounts. 🕯️A dim light came on and got brighter. Took the mount off. Cleaned mount, bolts bolt holes. Put it back together and never a problem since. It's been years.
This might save you a lot of time. Think simple.
 
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