reproduction fender tags

[slantfish]

I can speak for Cole's 3D printed fender tags. Buy one (he will reproduce the correct tag if you have some documentation) and display it without the worry of someone taking it. Correct? Nope....but the cost is low and you will be supporting a Mopar enthusiast.
Mine isn't 100% accurate, but is a tribute to my late son, as I added his name to the tag where the sequence number should be. It works for me in many ways.

I'm still incredulous that somebody stole the memorial plaque, what kind of asshole does that? Seriously, who in their right mind would steal a plaque memorializing your son, it just blows my mind the lack of empathy these days.

I'm almost back up and running, I finally found a couple of missing pieces yesterday and just need to get a few test runs out of the way, you are at the top of my list bro

 

[Mopar Nut]

I have my original fender tag for that car, but its a little dingy. Since he is so inexpensive, I may have him make me a spare fender tag....

What does he charge for a spare tag, that’s a good idea.

 

[MOPARMITCH]

What does he charge for a spare tag, that’s a good idea.

I did not check. He did a dash vin plate for me since mine got destroyed...

 

[Xcudame]

I fortunately have both fender tags for my 70 Challenger and 71 Barracuda. If I lost one, I would feel most comfortable paying the money to MCC Detroit for a reproduction.
I do like the 3D printed ones and would probably get ones made for each of my cars if I were to show them. Keep dishonest people from taking them (especially on a high end show car). But I burnt out on car shows about 20+ years ago.

 

[MoparCarGuy]

The repro dash VIN plates from the Netherlands are a good try but are easily distinguishable from a real dash VIN plate. That is a blessing as the legality of reproducing the federal VIN plate (Dash VIN plate) is questionable.
Making these allows anyone to turn their B, C, or G-code non-Cuda or non-Challenger R/T into the more desirable and valuable performance models with an H, J, N, U, V, or R-code engine.

That makes a Broadcast Sheet, a Window Sticker, and other original documentation the only way to prove your E-Body is the real deal model/engine combo.
Additionally, non-numbers engine/transmission cars without said documentation will take a nose-dive in value. None of that is good for the hobby.

 

[gran coupe john]

If one has a build sheet and no fender tag. How does he know the correct sequences for that tag?

 

[Challenger RTA]

In short. Pretty much reverse. But only using selected codes. Per year.

Not everything on the broadcast or called build sheet and window sticker would be on the fender tag.

 

[pschlosser]

If one has a build sheet and no fender tag. How does he know the correct sequences for that tag?

Experience, mostly. the codes are in alphabetic order on the fender tag. the build sheet contains EVERY detail found on the fender tag, but not the other way around. not every code on the build sheet is found on the tag. knowing which ones to include and which ones not, are among the biggest motivators to look at every tag you can. there are many motives for wanting to see "your tag" when asked by another. if one is indeed missing their tag, but has the build sheet, they have it easier than the guy who has neither, but still wants a tag.

 

[gran coupe john]

Yes, would be nice to have a tag

 

[slantfish]

Experience, mostly. the codes are in alphabetic order on the fender tag. the build sheet contains EVERY detail found on the fender tag, but not the other way around. not every code on the build sheet is found on the tag. knowing which ones to include and which ones not, are among the biggest motivators to look at every tag you can. there are many motives for wanting to see "your tag" when asked by another. if one is indeed missing their tag, but has the build sheet, they have it easier than the guy who has neither, but still wants a tag.

This is exactly it. Experience and having multiple examples is part of the key, because different plants did things slightly differently and even variations from year to year. Having the build sheet you can get most of the way there, but with variations you may still not get 100%. Out of all the novelty tags that I've recreated, only three were made/based on original build sheets so far, most were repros of existing/original tags (originals were either too rusty or the owner wanted to preserve the original but still have something to show).

 

[Challenger RTA]

Follow up.
I ask. trebor*99 on EBAY.
What is the process of having a fender tag made for a Dodge Challenger. Material you use, time from when ordered, shipping, payment method and cost. Do you have any examples that you have done you can show with with sensitive information black out. Customer information keep privet?

His response about 3-4 days later. I think a Good response time.

Hello, Thank you for your interest. We are located in the Netherlands, Europe. We've been making data plates for 25 years and have shipped them to the US without any problems. Recently US Customs have become stricter with checking and opening packages from overseas. If there is a plate with a serial number, they can seize or return to sender. At this moment it makes our business not workable for US sells. But if you have a Canadian address available, we can work something out and give all the other info you asked. Regards, Robert

Seems to be a reapable seller.


So at this time one need's a good member from up north.

 

[Challenger RTA]

I do believe in reproducing fender tags. If they are damaged, defaced, rusted, twisted, lost but some kind of documentation. Previous owners can validate. Picture parts or other. If not even back to the original owner. Some just want a nice looking fender tag to go with the restored car. The tag below I would not reproduce. To me it wouldn't be worth it unless it had some sentimental value.

What can be said about fake tags. I think most of us here know how to spot one. And it gets called out. It's unsuspecting buyer it effect and the market.

We all more than likely bought used or reproduced parts for are car. So what is right or wrong.
Wrong to counterfeit for profit. Yes I think so!
Wrong to personize for you personal preference?
Needs to be marked? $$$$ ???

 

[Challenger RTA]

reproducing the federal VIN plate (Dash VIN plate) is questionable.

To me that is more of a legal issue. There should be some sort of evidence of documentation. Title, Broadcast sheet, fender tag, damaged dash vin plate, window sticker original bill of sale with notary stamp when bought, vin number stampings. If not all of the above. It's understandable that all can not be available. Two out of three ain't bad! ( No I want Meatloaf for dinned!)

A change in one number or letter can make a
$1000 car worth $3 million. More so letter. You get the idea.

 

[Katfish]

Not sure about other states, but here in Florida, I have a title.
You'd have to somehow forge that too, to change the VIN.
Possible, but way less likely.

 

[Xcudame]

I think the best way is to be up front and say it's a duplicate. Especially if selling it down the road. There's always a couple things a "reproduced" fender tag won't have over an original. That's why when buying a high dollar car, you're best to have someone with a lot of knowledge there to help prove it is what the seller says it is.

And I think in all fairness to the hobby (remember we Mopar folks are the smartest!), proper documentation, or an original fender tag that's rusty, should be required by all of us to reproduce a fender tag. Be honest and straight forward. Those who are not are destined to an unhappy place!

 

[gran coupe john]

What if you have a complete numbers matching car. Plus build sheet, original window sticker, door sticker, correct vin tag. Everything but the fender tag. How does that hurt the car?

 

[Challenger RTA]

Not sure about other states, but here in Florida, I have a title.
You'd have to somehow forge that too, to change the VIN.
Possible, but way less likely.

There are some States that will give you a title with just a bill of sale. That's where the problems can be and are. That is a good and bad thing. What if the car doesn't even exist, then there is a car generated.

 

[MoparCarGuy]

What if you have a complete numbers matching car. Plus build sheet, original window sticker, door sticker, correct vin tag. Everything but the fender tag. How does that hurt the car?

This scenario is the best possible since the documentation supports the overall car’s provenance. I do not think a repro fender tag would affect such a car’s value. Experts will spot the repro tag and take that into consideration but with that much paperwork and physical evidence it is more than sufficient.

 

[Challenger RTA]

I do not think a repro fender tag would affect such a car’s value.

The only thing at that point would be. Does the buyer want a fender tag or not. That would have to be reflected in the price for replacement.

The cars value is mostly condition, originality and how it was built.
Just like Real estate. Location, Location and Location.

 

[pschlosser]

Not sure about other states, but here in Florida, I have a title.
You'd have to somehow forge that too, to change the VIN.
Possible, but way less likely.

In California, when a vehicle goes unregistered (not ticketed, and off the radar) for 10 years, or so, it's dropped from their computer databases. At that point, when registering the vehicle, the VIN number is only visually confirmed, and not checked for validity against anything historical. This means, IF you forge/alter the title document, prior registration sheet, dash VIN plate (which they reprint) and the door VIN sticker (also available reproduction) then the engine letter in the VIN can be altered from a G to, for example, an R, then the vehicle is registered as such, nice and legal. Not easy to do, but it can be done. Pour a few beers into a guy I once knew, and he'd tell you all about it.