Vintage Air and 440 6 pak

[Fireman Dan]

I apologize if this is not in the correct location. I am putting a Vintage Air AC on my 70 challenger with a 440 6 pack. My question is, will I need to modify the non-fresh air cleaner base to clear the standard Vintage compressor? I understand Bouchillon Performance has a Shorty compressor which should clear everything but I would just as soon use a complete Vintage Air kit if it will work with little or no modification to the air cleaner.

 

[jt4406]

It's very possible, but I did make my own brackets by modifying the factory bracket to fit the Sanden compressor. jess in ky

440/6, Sanden a/c compressor, how I did it....

 

[Fireman Dan]

So if I use the Vintage Air kit there will be some interference problems, unless I modify the bracket?

 

[mopar jack]

This is my 71 road runner with a 440 4bbl not a sixpack but same style base plate and it clears the compressor. All brackets were sourced through Bouchillon

 

[Fireman Dan]

Mopar Jack, I’m clear on Bouchillion brackets. Is the compressor the standard one or the shorty?

 

[mopar jack]

its a sandon 508, not a shorty

 

[Fireman Dan]

Thanks. I think thats the same compressor VA has. I guess I need to study the different brackets from VA and BP. Same compressor and they use the same pulleys?… maybe standard VA kit will work.

 

[Fireman Dan]

Has anyone actually compared the a/c compressor brackets; Bouchillon 4700 and Vintage Air 161002. Looking to see if one sits slightly lower. (Orange-BPE, Blue-VA)

 

[Fireman Dan]

Ooops! Above orange pic is the BPR 4710. Below is the 4700 for late cast iron water pump housing.

 

[Avalanche]

I have seen the sandon compressor mounted where the mechanical fuel pump goes. Under the alternator. Assuming you are not using it anymore.

 

[Ricks72Chlgr440]

Ooops! Above orange pic is the BPR 4710. Below is the 4700 for late cast iron water pump housing.

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That picture shows two belts on the compressor/alternator, which is preferable. I use the VA brackets on my 440 and it was a real pain to install. First, the brackets were expensive. When they arrived, they gave me a box of spacers. Had to play with adding spacers to make the belts line up. Don't know if the Bou. brackets would be any better. I do like the two belt setup of the Bou though.

 

[mopar jack]

I used the BPE 4710 bracket that works with the 440 source water pump housing. The compressor cannot sit any lower on my application. I was looking at the shorty compressor and heard it doesn't perform as well as the standard one. The 2 belt alternator works well but I had a serious problem with the water pump pulley. The water pump pulley uses 1 belt to drive the water pump and the power steering pump. My pulley failed, it split in half while on the freeway loosing the steering and water pump at the same time is bad.

 

[72RoadRunnerGTX]

Need to use the factory belt/pulley configuration for A/C, the shared water pump P/S belt does not work.

 

[Fireman Dan]

Pictures are worth a thousand words. Thank you. I noticed you have an idler for your water pump belt. I haven’t seen one of those in pictures with the modern AC set-ups before. Was that your design?

 

[72RoadRunnerGTX]

No, that’s the original factory BB A/C configuration, the idler bracket is original, idler pulley is reproduction/replacement. Water pump pulley and 4-grove crank pulley is original. BTW, the six-pack air cleaner does in fact clear the standard sized Saden compressor using the pictured BPE brackets.

 

[Ricks72Chlgr440]

Need to use the factory belt/pulley configuration for A/C, the shared water pump P/S belt does not work.View attachment 118665
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What a great setup! Wish my setup would allow for 2 A/C-Alternator belts!

 

[Fireman Dan]

Now I know what I need to resource. Which water pump housing are you using. I really like your set-up.

 

[Avalanche]

Need to use the factory belt/pulley configuration for A/C, the shared water pump P/S belt does not work.View attachment 118665
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That is a beautiful set up!

 

[72RoadRunnerGTX]

Now I know what I need to resource. Which water pump housing are you using. I really like your set-up.

It’s been a couple of years now; pretty sure I sourced that water pump housing from 440source.com but it doesn’t have the logo on it like the current offering has it would appear. Mopar Performance, now Mancini Racing has a similar, aluminum housing well. Any of the driver’s side inlet housings will work including the factory cast iron piece used through ’72.

 

[6PKRTSE]

My Charger is a factory 440 with A/C car that I added the six pack back when I was like 18-19 years old. It has been on there since. 34 years ago. It is with all factory parts. However, I did have to modify the air cleaner base.