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Why all the hype? 4 speeds

Anything cool and sexy will be marketed and fetch more $$$$ in the Global market than something practical. Automatics in the stock muscle car era , while practical, just don't have the moxy. The reason why the American muscle car era is iconic, is that there is no substitution for it. It's a brief, unique period in automotive history that can never be repeated on the planet. Driving original period American muscle with a V8 and 4spd is the pinnacle of that uniqueness...one will never find a substitute experience for it. It's not for everyone. It's not meant to be for everyone...but for those who desire an experience that cannot be found anywhere else in the world, it's waiting for you in one of these machines. You'll have to open your pocket book wider. You'll have to actually learn the art of becoming closer to your machine, be comfortable with normal trips going from A to B, won't be "normal," and know that what your driving is the ultimate in cool. Not the fastest, nor the most practical, not relaxing, not anything for the lazy, but it never disapoints!
 
I have one of each, A833 and 727. I would say the 4-speed is much more fun to drive. Going up through the gears is great, but also selectively downshifting in town can be a blast as well.
I think back in the day having 4 gears and shifting at the rpms you want was probably quicker than the average 3 speed automatic; not so much with today's auto trans technology....
 
Howdy I missed manuals so much and 70-74 E-body manuals were too much money so I bought a 2015 Challenger 6speed manual.
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Why all the hype about 4 speeds? I have seen comments like "a cuda 340 (originally auto) with a 4 speed conversion is worth just as much as a numbers matching auto car". Surely this can't be true??

My auto cars are so much more fun to drive.

And dont get me started on the hate for vinyl tops! 🤣
Yeah to each their own. I enjoyed manual trans until my knee started to give out in stop & go traffic and I was not sure I would get home. A well built automatic with shift kit & nice converter is a blast to drive, probably weighs a lot less, and can be driven by my wife... well maybe!
 
I grew up on manuals mower tractors then trucks and cars and still like them and still have a car with a 4-speed that I have had many years. As I get older I added power steering for ease of parking and backing out of the garage. I still love the 4-Speed
 
I think the question is like asking: "Mary Ann or Ginger?" I prefer automatics at the track for more consistent shift points and never a missed shift (Ronnie Sox I ain't). On the street, it's hard to drink that milkshake with a 4-speed. Having said that, I am also putting a TKX into my current ride - mainly for the overdrive to drive at highway speeds with 'performance' rear gearing and without redlining the engine (you get the idea). I'll just get a really long straw. To the OP's initial question, I've never subscribed any difference in 'worth' based on a transmission - unless it is a complete numbers matching car and then the 'value' is in the originallity of the trans regardless of what it is. My mantra is to buy/build what whatever suits you and ignore what anyone else says. The important thing is to go have fun in that Mopar. Oh, Mary Ann AND Ginger by the way...
 
"Mary Ann or Ginger?"
There is an other option. The slave girl Midori Arimoto. I look at it as. You don't have to have the best of every thing. Make the best of what you have.
It's all a mater of preference. To me it's not what's in or out of the box and being in the box. To me it's where did the box come from and where is it going?
This is a little bit above and beyond. There are other options that really don't apply unless it a Mod. Paddle shifter and. Here's where it gets to be long. In the late 60's a girlfriend's father had a VW with an Auto stick I think that's what it was called. Those darn Germans have always got my attention. Maybe because I'm a Swiss mix.

The below is from Wikipedia unedited.

The name Autostick has been used for a Volkswagen semi-automatic transmission, which is a vacuum-operated automatic clutch system, coupled with a conventional 3-speed manual transmission.

The "AutoStick" system designed by Chrysler allows for manual selection of gears with a standard hydraulic automatic transmission, also known as a manumatic.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>

The Autostick systems used by Volkswagen and Chrysler are unrelated, not mechanically similar in their operation, and do not share any similarities with their internal design and build.

The manumatic transmission systems are variously described or marketed under names that including "e-stick", "shift-command", "steptronic", and "geartronic".<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> Manufacturers increasingly offer electronically controlled automatic transmissions that provide drivers with an ability to shift gears on their own.

The objective of these systems is to provide a sportier, more driver-focused feel.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> They combine the convenience of an automatic with the ability for the driver to have an increased degree of control in gear selection process. Due to modern automatic transmissions becoming almost as efficient and responsive, cars with fully manual transmissions are less in demand.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

Volkswagen Autostick​

Marketed as the Volkswagen Automatic Stickshift, the three-speed manual transmission was connected to a vacuum-operated automatic clutch. The top of the gear shift was designed to easily depress and activate an electric switch, i.e. when engaged by the driver's hand. When pressed, the switch operated a 12-volt solenoid, in turn, operating the vacuum clutch servo, thus disengaging the clutch and allowing shifting between gears. With the driver's hand removed from the gearshift, the clutch would re-engage automatically. The transmission was also equipped with a torque converter, allowing the car to idle in gear, like an automatic. The torque converter was operated by transmission fluid. This would allow the car to stop in any gear and start from a standing stop in any gear.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a><a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a><a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a>

The Autostick debuted on the 1968 Volkswagen Beetle and Karmann Ghia at mid-model year along with a fully-independent rear suspension that debuted in August 1968 for the 1969 model year. VW ended Autostick production with the 1976 model year.

Chrysler AutoStick​

Chrysler developed an automatic transmission with electronic transaxle controls in that had an Autostick mode providing more aggressive shifting between gears when there was increased throttle.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> "Essentially a driver-interactive automatic transmission that offers gear-shifting capability" the Jazz show car featured the new system.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a>

Marketed for the 1996 model year, the Chrysler AutoStick, the Dodge Intrepid ES and Eagle Vision TSi were the first production automobile models in North America that came equipped with the system, the former as an option, the latter as standard.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> The system was standard equipment on the 1997 Plymouth Prowler and 1999 Chrysler 300M. It was added to the JA cars on the 1997 Stratus. This system was standard on 1999 to 2003 model year Dodge Grand Caravan ES, but only the front-wheel drive models since the AWD used a different TCM. Many Chrysler models were later fitted with this system, including the 300, 300C, Charger, Challenger, Sebring, PT Cruiser, Crossfire, Pacifica, Chrysler Town & Country, Dodge Avenger, Dodge Stratus R/T, Dodge Journey R/T and SXT, as well as Dodge Grand Caravan.

System advantages​

  • Ability to manually select gears
  • Ability to start from 2nd or 3rd in inclement weather to improve traction
  • Allows downshifting while coming down steep inclines to maintain speed
  • Improved performance with quicker, more firm shifts
  • Removes clutching with a pedal, instead it is operated by hand

Components and operation​

Components of the Autostick system in the first Chrysler vehicles to have the design included a different TCM (Transmission Control Module), shift assembly utilizing a unique PRNDL design invented by Peter Gruich in 1994, and gauge cluster. The gauge cluster includes a read-out to let the driver know which gear is selected. Switching between automatic and manual transmission modes is by moving the shift lever to the bottom that then allows upshifts and downshifts by moving the lever left and right.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a>

The system works with shifter down into a gated area on the shift assembly that allows the shifter to be pushed to the right (up-shift) or to the left (down-shift).<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> Pushing the shifter sends a signal to the TCM to shift up, or down depending on the driver's actions.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> Dropping the shifter into the Autostick gate while the vehicle is moving will keep the transmission in the current automatically selected gear.

For the column-shift third- and fourth-generation Dodge Grand Caravan ES, Chrysler Town and Country 1999–2003, four-speed automatic transmission models with FWD (41TE) or AWD (41AE) transmission only. The Autostick feature is activated by moving the "PRNDL" transmission selection on the steering column clockwise past D where L is usually found. When selected the current gear ratio is not changed, the "Autostick" indicator illuminates in the instrument cluster, the numbers 3 2 1 illuminate to the right of D, and a square appears around the gear currently engaged, D 3 2 or 1. The button on the end of the handle is used to engage/disengage overdrive lockout, the same function as selecting L when not equipped with Autostick. When engaged the transmission will not enter 4th gear and downshifts to 3rd if it is in 4th gear. Specific gears are selected by an up/off/down 3 position momentary switch in the middle of the handle on the PRNDL lever, up to upshift and down to downshift. OD lockout and specific gear selection are mutually exclusive. While in OD lockout the transmission behaves as a 3-speed automatic transmission. Autostick gear selection holds a specific gear 1, 2, or 3 until another gear is selected by the up/down switch, the vehicle comes to a complete stop, and Autostick forces a shift to 1st gear, Autostick operation is canceled by selecting 4th gear, aka D, or Autostick is disengaged by moving the PRNDL.

The service manual explains that Autostick signaling is multiplexed on a single wire. The transmission control module outputs a 5v signal to the handle and monitors it for voltage drop The voltage ranges 0.3-1.6,1.6-2.8, 2.8-3.8, and 3.8-4.8 representing down, up, overdrive lockout, and all open respectively. The vehicle drops into 1st after stopping but can be launched in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gear. The speed (or cruise) control operates only in 3rd and 4th gear while in Autostick mode and is deactivated if shifted to 2nd gear, just as it would if the driver had braked. Shifting into 4th (aka D) cancels Autostick single gear selection mode, and gears are automatically selected as usual until down or OD lockout is pressed.

System failsafes​

In modern implementations, if the user does not shift while driving in the Autostick mode, the transmission will automatically up-shift at redline (the exception being the Plymouth/Chrysler Prowler which will not shift automatically at redline when in AutoStick mode) to prevent engine/transmission damage, and will not downshift into the redline.<a href="Autostick - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> When coming to a complete stop, the system will automatically return to the first gear.
 
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As I got older and my knees are getting closer to replacements, it got to where driving my 4 speed car wasn't much fun any more. I got to thinking about that last Mopar I would like to own before I get too old to drive. I never owned an early B body and the 64 Dodges always caught my eye. I found one and sold my 4 speed Dart. It's a Polara 500 with a Poly and a automatic. Power steering as well. Buckets, console and comfortable to drive and cruise in. It needs some minor fixing but what 60 year old cars don't. I still have my Swinger too. Another 318, auto, power steering car. I'm good!

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