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1970 'Cuda in France

SuperDuty455

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Hello,

Now that I'm about to get a small block and transmission, it's time for the real work to begin on my 1970 'Cuda. For the little story, check my presentation post, but basically I got extremely lucky, and after 15 years of research, I had the opportunity to buy a 1970 Cuda that had been sitting for three years only 1km away from me, in a small town in the north of France next to Dunkirk (yes that Dunkirk).

But first a quick description of my car, it's a 1970 'Cuda 340 automatic, BS23H0B190959, that currently has a 1978 440 HP and matching 727 from an A38 Police Patrol car...or at least that's the most likely origin of that engine and trans as the partial VIN indicates it's from a car built in 1978 in a factory that made B-Body car, and which B-Body cars got a 440 HP in 1978 ? A38 Police cars.

According to the fender tag, it was scheduled for November 14th 1969. It was originally FE5 Rally Red with the black vinyl top, and V6X black hockey stripes, and some nice options : power disc brakes, console, Rally gauges, AM 8 track stereo, all the chrome moldings as well as the tail panel molding.
No build sheet, I suspect the seats may not be originals, the front seats had already been reupholstered. There was no carpet when I got it, and no headliner, and it was not hidden in the dashboard. Nothing under the package tray either. So it's gone, or it was never there.

Body wise, outside of the trunk floor, and an unfinished repair on the driver floor, it's quite solid. Some other repairs were done in the past though, both trunk drop offs are patched up, and the front lower corners of the rear wheel arches also had been patched up (not very well, I'll have to fix that). It's also apparent that the roof was straightened, there are signs of hammer and dolly work all over. Though it looks like a good job. There are a handful of small rust holes that will need to be addressed as well, but really nothing very important. That's why I purchased it, the overall condition was really good and didn't need major work like frame rails or entire body panels replaced.

Here it is in the garage just after I drove it home :
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And my brother and I shared a local beer for a happy time, he had just purchased that rare Maserati Karif you can see next to it :
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At the time my brother and I were running a classic car shop, here it was with a few friends :
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Then...I had to shut down the business and a bunch of different things happened, and it sat...again, in a private parking lot where I did do a few small repairs. It was staying next to @Vettfab 1970 Barracuda 170ci but I can't find a photo of them together...
As you can see, it has mint 15" Rally wheels and new tires, they came with the car. It's also really low in the front...that 440 isn't exactly light, the rubber bumpers are touching the frame... :

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With my Mercury Capri (extremely rare cars in France, likely less than 10 in the country) :
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As I explained in my presnetation post, the main problem with it is how sluggish it felt driving. When it's static, the engine responds well and sounds great, like it wants to go, but as soon as I drive it, the power is gone. Whether you press the pedal slightly of to the metal, it makes no difference. You can hear the gears change...somewhat, as everything is horribly loud. And fuel consumption is ludicrous. So driving it is a chore...

Here's the 440 HP as I saw it the first time :
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It has a 1971 intake manifold, points distributor, a crudely adapted alternator mount made with an AC bracket.

One of the first things I purchased is the kickdown linkage for the transmission, it was absent. That was the first bad sign, I imagined it would cause issues but it didn't correct anything.

The carburetor is a Carter AFB 9626S, apparently it's an 625cfm aftermarket version from the 90s.
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Here's the partial VIN of the engine (same for the 727) :
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It has 4006452 heads which could be the original ones for that version of the 440.
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It's very clean under the valve covers.
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The underpinnings aren't so clean, years of soot everywhere.
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You can clearly see a problem with the cooling lines...i didn't spot the kink at the time. The wiring for the starter was dreadful, I replaced it later on with brand new wires and crimped connections. The whole engine harness was falling apart.

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The steering box will need to be rebuilt or replaced. Not only is it leaking, but it's very loose too (and not helped by the worn out steering shaft pivot) :
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More recently, as I was getting the car ready for Le Mans Classic, I did a whole lot of maintenance. Starting with a new coil, the one that came with it was for electronic ignition. New cap, rotor, wires, plugs, I also rebuilt the carburetor, replaced the thermostat housing, fuel filter, oil change and oil filter of course, well the basics.
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I noticed the wiper motor was acting weird, and getting really hot when the battery was plugged. Apparently it doesn't go back in park and keeps running.
So I disassembled it and rebuilt what had to be, but it didn't really fix the issue, which some say is because of a bad grounding of the dashboard switch so I still need to fix that :
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So the next part is to replace the engine and trans.
Why ?
I think a small block is better suited in a "small" car like that. And that's what it came with originally. Also legally it's kind of a problem here unfortunately...
340s are very hard to come by and expensive.
318s are a bit low on power in stock form and I don't want to do a full rebuild to get the power right
273s are just too small for these E-Bodies
So the 360 is the best bang for the buck in all of LA engines
My first idea was to get a Magnum 5.9L, they are relatively easy to find here. But unless i kept the EFI (which I was tempted to do), it's quite a bit of extra work and parts to convert to a carb (intake, carb, fuel pump adapter for camshaft, brackets, and a small block 727 would still be necessary). I do have a 5.9L Magnum block with the crank and pistons, but it needs a full rebuild.
Recently I stumbled upon an early 360 with its 727 for a good price in the Netherlands, with the brackets for the alternator and power steering pump, a 4bbl carburetor and an HEI distributor. So I will go get it in a few days.

I will need to find a passenger car oil pan, it was used in a truck before that. I already have the pickup tube.
Looks like it has J heads. I know they're nothing special, but they would also be correct for a 340.
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71-74 360 casting number :
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Great car to start with!
Are you going to paint it back to its original color? FE5 Rallye Red?
I'm curious, is the car an import car?
Or was it imported from the USA after 1970?
 
190959BS23H0B190959
[td width="430px"]Item mailed to current owner on 8-29-2016[/td]

Apparently, Barry, the owner/curator of Hamtramck Historical mailed something to the owner that had your car in 2016.
Unfortunately, he does not supply any information of any sort.
You may be able to at least find out what was sent if you contact him through his website. I encourage you to contact him and at least ask what it was. Perhaps, you may be able to get more information from him. Good Luck.

Hamtramck Historical found items page
 

190959BS23H0B190959
[td width="430px"]Item mailed to current owner on 8-29-2016[/td]

Apparently, Barry, the owner/curator of Hamtramck Historical mailed something to the owner that had your car in 2016.
Unfortunately, he does not supply any information of any sort.
You may be able to at least find out what was sent if you contact him through his website. I encourage you to contact him and at least ask what it was. Perhaps, you may be able to get more information from him. Good Luck.

Hamtramck Historical found items page
Yes I sent a message back when I was about to buy the car, but it was something about the Special Interest Auto Club, he sent the document to the owner in 2016 but it didn't come with the documentation of the car so I don't know what it is...

By the way, it is a US model, imported in France in 2018. It sat untouched until I bought it.
It was in Pennsylvania, it was purchased from Steve Moore who found it in a farm where it had been sitting for decades, and it's believable as the inspection tag on the windshield is from 1994.
 
Vettefab introduction thread

I tried to learn more information about @Vettefab BH car.
His car has great interest to me, being a BH car.
Does he visit this website?

His car is really unique, it doesn't have the typical US VIN or a fender tag as it was built in the Netherlands. I don't remember the VIN but it's completely different. So if you have a registry like I do, it will need a separate list for the NEKAF cars.
 
His car is really unique, it doesn't have the typical US VIN or a fender tag as it was built in the Netherlands. I don't remember the VIN but it's completely different. So if you have a registry like I do, it will need a separate list for the NEKAF cars.
A code 170ci slant 6
That is all the information he told us, then he disappeared.
I tried to gain more information, but he has not returned.
Would be glad to have private contact with @Vettefab if he is interested.
My little registry is at this link here, M46 list on febo
and here M46 list ebodies. org expanded
Anyway, Not trying to side track your thread on your awesome car.
I will enjoy joining and watching along with your journey and your cool ride!
 
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