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Guys,

When my lights are on for my '73 Cuda, all exterior lights that should light up, do. However, with both the turn signals and the hazard lights the front side markers and the road lamps under the grill do not work although the fender top lights work as intended. I've look in the fuse box and all fuses appear to be good. Electrical issues were never my forte, so any help/suggestions/ideas are welcome.

Thanks,

Jerry
 

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The side lights do not flash but may be grounding through the light circuit instead of the intended ground at the second wire coming from the side light so ground is where I would check first
 

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I guess I assumed the side markers flashed. Thanks for the info....
 

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Side marker light turn signal conversion

Hoe to make side marker lights work with turn signals.
I always wondered why my coach came with just one side turn signal. I have a marker light mid way down the body but it's just a marker, no signal. I got replacement lights that are a combination marker/signal but, even though they dimensions were correct, they didn't fit the recess in the fender skirt. My next idea was to find a 3 wire socket. That didn't work either because the marker uses a 194 bulb and there is nothing equivalent to it in dual filament. I almost gave up until I found this webpage. The text of it is below. Basically, what you do is disconnect the ground of the marker light and hook it to the positive side of the turn signal. The marker light gets it's ground through the turn signal bulb. When the turn signal is on and the marker light is on, the marker light blinks opposite to the rear signal. When the marker light is off, they flash in sync. The hardest part was getting a wire to the turn signal feed. I plan to add a signal at the back of the coach so I have 3 turn signals down the side.







Cross feed method
Vehicles with 2-wire, bulb-type side markers have come from the factory two ways: with the front side marker bulbs wired across parking lamp feed and turn signal feed, which provides a flashing side marker, or wired across parking lamp feed and ground, which results in a non-flashing side marker. There's no rhyme, reason, or consistency to which vehicles have what; front side markers may flash with the turn signals, but they're not required to, so it's a matter of automaker whim; the Jeep Wrangler had flashing front side markers until 2003, non-flashing starting in 2004. It's pretty random and arbitrary. If your vehicle has two-wire front side markers with filament bulbs, and they don't flash with the turn signals, you can make them do so by moving one wire.
Here's how the front parking, turn signal and side marker lights are wired so the side markers do not flash:
markernoflash.gif


This diagram shows the common "park/turn" bulbs, with a bright turn signal filament and a dim parking lamp filament in the one bulb. Each filament has its own feed terminal on the bulb base. The wiring is the same in systems that have separate bulbs for the parking lamp and the turn signal; the only difference is that the park lamp feed and the turn signal feed go to separate bulbs.
With this hookup, the side marker lamps are wired exactly like the parking lamps. They are always grounded, and they receive +12V whenever the parking lamps are on. Therefore, they illuminate steadily whenever the parking lamps are on, and never flash.
Here's how the system is wired to make the front side markers do double duty as side turn signal flashers:
markerflash.gif


There's only one difference between this setup and the non-flashing one: Instead of the side markers being wired across parking lamp feed and ground, they're wired across parking lamp feed and turn signal feed.
The side marker bulb socket is isolated from ground, and one bulb lead goes to the running lamp positive circuit. The other lead is tied into the turn signal positive lead.
When the parking lights are on and the turn signal off, it grounds through the turn signal filament and illuminates the marker lamp. When the turn signal flashes, it interrupts the ground and the marker will flash. When the running lights are off, the process is reversed, with the ground being through the filaments of the running light circuit, and the marker will flash in sync with the turn signal instead of alternately.
 
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Side marker light turn signal conversion

Hoe to make side marker lights work with turn signals.
I always wondered why my coach came with just one side turn signal. I have a marker light mid way down the body but it's just a marker, no signal. I got replacement lights that are a combination marker/signal but, even though they dimensions were correct, they didn't fit the recess in the fender skirt. My next idea was to find a 3 wire socket. That didn't work either because the marker uses a 194 bulb and there is nothing equivalent to it in dual filament. I almost gave up until I found this webpage. The text of it is below. Basically, what you do is disconnect the ground of the marker light and hook it to the positive side of the turn signal. The marker light gets it's ground through the turn signal bulb. When the turn signal is on and the marker light is on, the marker light blinks opposite to the rear signal. When the marker light is off, they flash in sync. The hardest part was getting a wire to the turn signal feed. I plan to add a signal at the back of the coach so I have 3 turn signals down the side.







Cross feed method
Vehicles with 2-wire, bulb-type side markers have come from the factory two ways: with the front side marker bulbs wired across parking lamp feed and turn signal feed, which provides a flashing side marker, or wired across parking lamp feed and ground, which results in a non-flashing side marker. There's no rhyme, reason, or consistency to which vehicles have what; front side markers may flash with the turn signals, but they're not required to, so it's a matter of automaker whim; the Jeep Wrangler had flashing front side markers until 2003, non-flashing starting in 2004. It's pretty random and arbitrary. If your vehicle has two-wire front side markers with filament bulbs, and they don't flash with the turn signals, you can make them do so by moving one wire.
Here's how the front parking, turn signal and side marker lights are wired so the side markers do not flash:
markernoflash.gif


This diagram shows the common "park/turn" bulbs, with a bright turn signal filament and a dim parking lamp filament in the one bulb. Each filament has its own feed terminal on the bulb base. The wiring is the same in systems that have separate bulbs for the parking lamp and the turn signal; the only difference is that the park lamp feed and the turn signal feed go to separate bulbs.
With this hookup, the side marker lamps are wired exactly like the parking lamps. They are always grounded, and they receive +12V whenever the parking lamps are on. Therefore, they illuminate steadily whenever the parking lamps are on, and never flash.
Here's how the system is wired to make the front side markers do double duty as side turn signal flashers:
markerflash.gif


There's only one difference between this setup and the non-flashing one: Instead of the side markers being wired across parking lamp feed and ground, they're wired across parking lamp feed and turn signal feed.
The side marker bulb socket is isolated from ground, and one bulb lead goes to the running lamp positive circuit. The other lead is tied into the turn signal positive lead.
When the parking lights are on and the turn signal off, it grounds through the turn signal filament and illuminates the marker lamp. When the turn signal flashes, it interrupts the ground and the marker will flash. When the running lights are off, the process is reversed, with the ground being through the filaments of the running light circuit, and the marker will flash in sync with the turn signal instead of alternately.
Excellent info. Thanks!
 

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So, I had put Sylvania 1004 clear bulb dual filament lights in the road/running lights...thought it would look better at night.That is when it only worked with the headlights and not the flashers. I was farting around in the shop tonight and thought I would put the orange lens bulbs back in and everything works at it should. Odd...can't imagine why they would work with the orange bulbs and not the clear bulbs...

Jerry
 
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