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Just making a short cut to make it easier to find. Threads and post are personalized and not directly related to the problem and solution. Hence not as easy to find. Use any word in title to find it.
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Frame measurements
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I made it a sticky. It will be at the top in that forum.
 

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The place start is there is no frame on a unibody. Start by checking the center section. Check for square. sway, sagging and twist. You have to know where you are at then know where you are gong. Then the measurement F,E,K, Is where you are going. Also check for set back.
( See below This is done with the suspension on.) There is error in the building of the car. The tolerance is an 1/8". In all reality it will be 1/4"in some places. As an end result you want over all result to fit with in the parameters. Meaning body lines up and suspension in the correct place. Think 3D all the time. You do something what is it going to effect! Build the bottom first. Don't try to fix what was built in the car unless it needs to be. Your completely disassembling the structure. You might have to.
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This is the tool to use to check. There is no 1/8"movement in the end. Unlike a standard tape that adds an 1/8" for the waste cut.

Steck Measure N' Stick Tape Measure (36000)​

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Front set back is a measurement referencing a vehicle’s front wheels to a line running perpendicular to the vehicle center line and parallel to a line drawn through the centers of the spindle. If a vehicle has front set back, one front tire/wheel assembly sits farther back from this imaginary reference line than the other. Positive set back indicates that the right front wheel is set back further than the left. Negative set back indicates the left front wheel is further back than the right. Setback should usually be zero to less than half a degree, but some vehicles have asymmetrical suspensions by design. Front set back can be checked during a normal alignment and is used to diagnose collision damage or cradle misaligned , bent strut rod . If the cradle is adjusted incorrectly or damage is present, it’s not unusual to also see a reduced positive caster reading on the side with set back. Excessive set back can cause an alignment pull to the side with set back. 2nd and 3rd is 3/8" strong the way it was measured. pass side shorter. side longer.
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Here are some members knowledgeable information.
You can't tell anything by looking at the cam adjusters, every car is different, and if the unibody is tweaked, the car may not have been aligned since the tweak. The cam adjusters really aren't going to tell you anything.

These cars were built with tolerances in fractions of an inch, not thousandths. Offset is not uncommon at all.
If you think about it, 1" total error is only 1/2" actual offset. My no accident '71, has 3/4" gap difference, side to side, front and rear.
I've measured/checked enough other cars to know it's not uncommon.
Even my, no accident, '02 Z06 has 3/8" more gap on one side.
It's not exactly desirable, but it's not at all uncommon.

The FSM has a chassis plot with key measurements to check unibody alignment/square. Dims are referenced to alignment holes. 2 person job but in 15 min you can determine the unibody alignment. Not unusual to find cars that weren't hit still out of square by 1 - 2 inches. Thats the way the assembly line worked..
 

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Here is information from a manufacture of frame equipment.

Types of Vehicle Frame Damage.​

Sagging or Twisted Frame: Look out for gaps in the body, as uneven parts in the build of a car frame can cause sections of the vehicle to lean. If left unattended, these gaps can lead to faster tire and coil wear. Frame straighteners effectively fix minor frame damage using a leverage process.
Frame Straightening

Frame Straightening

Diamond Frame Misalignment: In a straight frame, when the center box is measured diagonally, the measurements are equal, forming a perfect square, which ensures precise mounting for the suspension. However, if one frame rail is pushed out of position, either forward or backward, the center box becomes distorted. This causes the diagonal measurement to become uneven, resembling the shape of a diamond. As a result, the suspension is affected, and frames with a diamond shape often exhibit the characteristic "dog tracking," where they appear to travel down the road at an angle. It is rare to find a pure diamond shape without other damage. Additionally, when frame rails move forward or backward, they typically deviate from being parallel to the road surface.
Frame Straightening

Sway Damage: Sway damage causes the vehicle to lean to one side, impacting steering and overall vehicle performance. Our frame straightening process corrects the sway, eliminating vibrations and ensuring a safe and comfortable ride.
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Mashed Frame Repair: A head-on or rear-end collision often results in mash frame damage, where the impact causes the frame to crumple inward on itself. This type of damage is characterized by a portion of the unibody frame being shorter than the manufacturer's specifications. Common signs of mash frame damage include distortion or wrinkles in the hood, fenders, rails, or frame horns. Unfortunately, a mashed frame can have a ripple effect, leading to damage in other areas of the vehicle.
Leaving mash damage unattended can have severe consequences, causing significant wear and tear on other vehicle components. However, for modern cars, the repair process is relatively straightforward if only one section of the vehicle is affected. In such cases, the damaged section of the frame can be replaced to restore the structural integrity of the vehicle. Timely attention to mash frame damage is crucial to prevent further complications and ensure the safety and performance of the vehicle on the road.
 
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